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Oh My Science...

Bill O'RLY recently had dinner with Al Sharpton at a restaurant called Sylvia's, in Harlem, owned and operated by blacks. What could possibly go wrong?

O'RLY: "[I] had a great time, and all the people up there are tremendously respectful ... I couldn't get over the fact that there was no difference between Sylvia's restaurant and any other restaurant in New York City. I mean, it was exactly the same, even though it's run by blacks, primarily black patronship. ... There wasn't one person in Sylvia's who was screaming, 'M-Fer, I want more iced tea.' You know, I mean, everybody was -- it was like going into an Italian restaurant in an all-white suburb in the sense of people were sitting there, and they were ordering and having fun. And there wasn't any kind of craziness at all."

I... don't even know what to say.

ETA: Thanks, Rob, for reminding me that I forgot to reference the original: http://mediamatters.org/items/rss/200709210007

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skipthedemon
Sep. 24th, 2007 07:58 pm (UTC)
0_o

I got nothing.
skipthedemon
Sep. 24th, 2007 08:01 pm (UTC)
No seriously, my mind is still blown. How can he not know how offensive that is?
happinessiseasy
Sep. 24th, 2007 08:15 pm (UTC)
Either a) he was trying to be inflammatory like Ann Coulter to make people pay more attention to him, or b) he's an ignorant bigot. b) seems so much more likely...
bjbass
Sep. 24th, 2007 09:05 pm (UTC)
whoa, backup, time out... he had dinner with Al Sharpton?
happinessiseasy
Sep. 24th, 2007 09:46 pm (UTC)
I dunno.. he claimed that he did.
skate_or_die82
Sep. 24th, 2007 09:59 pm (UTC)
I found that here: http://mediamatters.org/items/200709210007?f=h_latest

kind of off topic, but did you get to read the whole transcript? Williams had some interesting points about culture and about teaching young kids "what it means to be black". O'Reilly shouldda just politely agreed instead of trying to interject his personal experiences into the situation. i think he means well, but WOW. he gets a bit spun up and ends up unintentionally insulting people. unfortunately, i can see people my parents age, who also demonstrate a limited understanding of culture, subculture, and racial issues, like Bill O'Reilly so much.
happinessiseasy
Sep. 24th, 2007 10:00 pm (UTC)
Do you really think he means well? It's awfully hard to see that.
skate_or_die82
Sep. 24th, 2007 10:03 pm (UTC)
if i said that he didn't mean well, i'd have to say that my parents don't mean well. i just can't say that.
happinessiseasy
Sep. 24th, 2007 10:09 pm (UTC)
Is that really a necessary conclusion to draw? I mean, do you parents have a national "news" show, a syndicated radio show, and do they influence millions of people? You have to think that if they did, they would choose their vocal opinions a little more carefully. Someone that constantly interrupts guests, takes the last word and then cuts their mic, sexually harasses their staff, supports the Bush administration unconditionally, is vocally outwardly racist and sexist... can not mean well.
skate_or_die82
Sep. 25th, 2007 05:17 am (UTC)
well, i'm certainly focusing more on this particular transcript than on Mr. O'Reilly's track record. i'm not disagreeing that his statements are often counter-productive. my point is that after reading the article, i now have a better idea as to how he resonates with a particular group because i've seen his sentiments in other people.

maybe this wasn't a point worth making, as once again I am required to explain myself to Jim beyond what I think is adequate.
happinessiseasy
Sep. 25th, 2007 03:16 pm (UTC)
How was that called for? I though we were having a healthy debate, here. No need to get personal.
skate_or_die82
Sep. 28th, 2007 06:51 pm (UTC)
Sorry, dude. My fault. Some days my threshold for debate is higher than others and often I just wanna make a point and leave it at that.
bjbass
Sep. 25th, 2007 04:33 am (UTC)
(uh... how old would that be??) (speaking of stereotypes and all that...)
mnemsyne
Sep. 25th, 2007 03:51 am (UTC)
what a racist motherfucking son of a bitch.

and people listen to that guy. like he is a role model. like he knows things. like he's intelligent.

just.. no words.
alistgoeson
Sep. 25th, 2007 05:45 am (UTC)
i hate that fucker.
bjbass
Sep. 27th, 2007 02:06 pm (UTC)
(cross-posted to my journal)

Bill O'Reilly says his comments were taken out of context. “If you listened to the full hour, it was a criticism of racism on the part of white Americans who are ignorant of the fact that there is no difference between white and black anymore,” he said. He said his grandmother, and people of her time, feared blacks because of their perception of black culture as being violent.

Juan Williams, who was on the show and who has written a book about black culture, said that many white Americans still think of black culture in terms of profane rap. That's when O'Reilly said “There wasn’t one person in Sylvia’s who was screaming, ‘M.F.-er, I want more iced tea.”

I believe him. I'm a long-time liberal and I don't like Bill O'Reilly, politically or personally. But he's not stupid. This rings true.
And I'm angry and embarrassed about liberal organizations that repaint events like this. I hated the childish name-calling attack on General Petraeus by MoveOn.com.

O'Reilly says plenty that's controversial. You don't have to create controversy by recasting his words.

Let these guys stumble on their own ideas.
happinessiseasy
Sep. 27th, 2007 03:14 pm (UTC)
Ugh. I don't buy that for a minute. He didn't just say what happened. He said that *he* was surprised about all of these things. I read the whole transcript. Out of context nothing.
skate_or_die82
Sep. 28th, 2007 06:48 pm (UTC)
I am inclined to agree with your interpretation of the transcript. If I was a more thorough investigator, I would listen to an audio recording of the program and try to get a feel for tone and connotation, but I'm not. However, my intuition tells me that your assessment is realistic.

I do agree with Jim that a host of a media program needs to take extra care in watching his words.
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